The Maple has identified 49 Canadians who have served in the Israeli military since Oct. 7, 2023.
The linked page auto playing audio after it was opened, I can’t even find where on the page it is coming from. No matter how hard I try to disable options for this they always change or make new ones.
FYI turn down your volume if in public.
Shame.
If I’m not mistaken, military service is mandatory in Israel. If these 49 are still Israeli citizens, then they have a choice to:
- Renounce their Israeli citizenship
- Serve in the military
- Go to jail
Not defending them, just adding context.
Nuremberg Principles apply to Israelis too.
Wow, commit war crimes or renounce citizenship? Such a hard choice!
In addition to what others have said in this thread: This is eventually a clickbait headline with poor content. Many of these people may be citizens of Israel where military service is mandatory as already mentioned. Instead of doing this research and provide some context, the researches just read some social media accounts to write a few paragraphs.
If reading some of the texts on the website, you easily recognize that the media outlet is everything but independent. It seems it does just enough research to convey a certain narrative.
The result here is that the story paints a hopelessly false picture of Canada imo.
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I don’t understand. There is more than enough context in each bio. Obviously people who moved to Israel have a service obligation. So? If they did war crimes as part of their service, “following orders” is not an acceptable excuse (Nuremberg principle 4).
There is no picture of Canada being painted. It’s a list of Canadians who may have participated in war crimes.
It’s a list of Canadians with the implication, but little to no evidence, of war crimes beyond the fact that they served in Israel’s military.
To me it feels a lot like the published lists of people who “celebrated” Charlie Kirk’s death. Yes, it’s likely factual, but it feels like it’s trying to start a witch hunt. And in this case, there’s even less proof of any “wrongdoing”.
I don’t know that it is as simplistic as that. Israel stands accused at the ICJ for genocide, while the Israeli Prime Minister is literally wanted by the ICC. The IDF is therefore directly accused of the most serious of war crimes. Serving as such an army is a huge fucking red flag.
This is more akin to having put together a list of Serbian Canadians serving in the Army of Republika Srpska during the time the Srebrenica massacre happened.
It is not for the journalists to prove anything, but this will undoubtedly be useful to entities like the Hind Rajab Foundation who are intent on prosecuting Israeli war criminals. It also puts pressure on Canadian authorities to do their job and prosecute Canadian criminals.
There is more than enough context in each bio … If they did war crimes as part of their service …
Your arguments show bad faith and as it is not journalism at all.
Before you accuse someone openly as it is done in this report, you would - hopefully also as an ‘ordinary’ person, but certainly as a professional journalist - contact these people and give them a chance to respond to the accusations. Reading their social media posts and then publish their names is not good journalism. You may do this with some public figures if and when the context is clear, but not with individuals of whom you know nothing but their alleged social media accounts. If only one of these accounts are fake or one or more of them have been impersonated, you can do a lot of harm to innocent people. A journalist should know that.
Your comments point in the same direction: You say, “if” they did, and “may” have participated in war crimes. But “if” and “may” is no research. These are assumptions.
Yes, Israel very likely committed war crimes, I hope the judges at the ICC will have the opportunity to open a trial soon. But before everyone else accuses other of a crime, we should do research. This includes data about who did what, when, where. This is missing here.
This is extremely bad practice. It has nothing to do with proper research. And, again, the majority of the articles published on their website follows a similar pattern. There is barely in-depth research, it’s just conveying narratives that appeal to a certain target group. This is, at best, campaigning, but is has nothing to do with journalism.
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I’m not sure if you’re accusing me or the journalist of The Maple of bad faith here. Your argumentation is mixed up. I’m not a journalist, I’m some guy on Lemmy and fuck no I don’t have good faith towards soldiers if a genocidal apartheid regime.
Whether war crimes allegations can be individualized to them, that’s for prosecutors to find out. The article adds pressure to Canadian authorities to act. That’s the job of the journalist. It’s then the job of lawyers, prosecutors etc to decide what to act on, what to investigate etc.
Your comments point in the same direction: You say, “if” they did, and “may” have participated in war crimes. But “if” and “may” is no research. These are assumptions.
They are not assumptions. They are conditionals.
If they’re fighting in another country’s army are they truly Canadian? Is this a case of religion trumping nationalism/patriotism?
They likely have dual citizenship, which would mean they are “truly Canadian”.
If they have dual citizenship, they also likely joined the Israeli military because commiting genocide is easier for some people than revoking their citizenship.
I don’t question the content, but the media outlet apparently has a strong article selection bias.
All media make editorial decisions.
If you don’t question the content, then what does pointing out the “selection bias” add to the discussion here?
Again, you say you don’t question the content of this article.
What do your numerous comments add here?
Lol the guy is literally “I got nothing better so here is an ad hominem”
This picture implies that any good debate rests on a foundation of name-calling.
It’s an accurate representation of how it usually goes on the internet.
