Automaker Stellantis will move Jeep Compass production from Ontario to the U.S. despite earlier investment commitments in Canada.
Canadian officials are calling the move “a betrayal” and say legal action is on the table.
Follows lots of money (billions?) in EV subsidies and prior promises of long-term Canadian manufacturing jobs.
Fuck it, let this industry die in Canada. We waste billions every year in subsidies and tax breaks. As for Stellantis, even without Trump they would have shut down anyway because no one is buying their shitty Jeeps while customers are waiting 14 months on backorders from Toyota. 100 years and Detroit still can’t make a reliable engine or transmission.
That’s such a bad take. Like sure it would be awesome to be less reliant on this industry, but you massively underestimate the amount of people who work in industries that support car production in Ontario. Thousands and thousands of people would lose a job which they can support their family with. These are good jobs that actually pay living wages.
The massive collective bargaining power of the automotive unions put upwards pressure on wages for everyone in the province.
Also we build a huge number of Toyota cars in Ontario.
Trump literally wants American car companies to stop paying Canadians to build the cars in Canada, do you want to accelerate Trump’s vision of North America?
Yes, pull the fucking bandaid off already. Nationalize the factories and assets and start making an affordable hybrid Canadian car by redesigning and retooling. Then put massive fucking tariffs on purchasing american cars. There are just so many options instead of bending the knee to the US.
Let them go, we should just ban Americans from profiting off Canada/using our resources.
And anyone still buying a Stellantis product deserves all the bullshit that comes with it. Recent ota update bricking their hybrids is only the most recent bullshit, but any and all Chrysler vehicles have been shit for like decades. The only mechanics driving them are either new or stupid.
Let them leave and they just keep making them. Create an actual Canadian car company. Just take Jeep and make them actually good and ignore Stellantis trademark, IP, and copyright etc.
Thats probably too hopeful though
Bring back the old military jeeps that can be torn down in less than 4 minutes. All universal parts, easy as fuck to fix.
Yes, but electric.
This is the future…
This is where swappable batteries trend should start
That would require a massive infrastructure. That idea was floated 20 years ago. Only Nio pulled it off for work vehicles in large cities in Asia, but North America is a decade or more behind.
Every massive project has to start somewhere, let’s gooooo!
It’s called Slate EV. They even have an online university to teach self repair. https://www.slate.auto/en
Betsos will ruin this
Oh and ban sales of Stellantis in Canada
What sales…aside from right wing hicks in black RAM pickups no one is buying that garbage any more.
I pack Autoparts all day every day they still get sold a lot I’ll tell you what
No car company can survive in Canada by selling to the Canadian market. Australia learned this. Would you buy a car made in Canada? What’s the name of that quality product designed and made in Canada again…? We don’t even make fucking hockey sticks any more.
I’m okay if it fails, we will learn something. The only real hurdle is costs…where nationalizing their product would slash a significant cost and also if the designs are already approved for safety that’s also another signiticant hurdle to bypass. Factory and employees also mostly solved. Further savings.
Canada manufacturers for the industry already, like this exact plant and the deal in place we are discussing already.
I’m also okay if we build a better vehicle and sell it abroad, perhaps leave out the battery and let other markets finish the production. I’m okay if it ultimately fails. Dare to dream
Oh and the Brampton plant is another one that was supposed to be retooled for EV production. This dovetails nicely with our discussion on the threats to our EV and battery plant subsidies / investments. This plant was supposed to use some of the prodiction from the new EV battery plant in Windsor. One of the Chinabad chucklefucks in another thread had the gall to say I was telling stories when I explained what’s going on with our auto industry.
But it comes down to that stupid Dodge Challenger/ Charger Americans loved to buy, then they electrified it, defying the exact demographic that buys muscle cars. Then, they reversed and put a V6 in it, but the damage was done. Stellantis seriously thought Boomer petrolheads would buy an electric car that makes fake noises through loudspeakers, and Trudeau and Ford threw billions at them. Windsor battery plant is making 20 inch black and white TVs while CATL is selling 100 inch HDR OLED.
Stupid Stellantis. Just one leadership fuck up after another.
rulership gaslighting us into continued sycophancy under abuse is a betrayal that enables these betrayals. as a cycle of waiting for more betrayals.
Cancel F35s already, make US pay $70B/month for access to NORAD, and from those proceeds pay $2000/month UBI to Canadians.
Cancel F35s already
Repeatedly reminding people that we can’t renege on the part of the deal we’ve signed is getting tiresome. You understand how agreements work, right? Right?
like the US with NAFTA/USMCA?
Can’t renege on the part of the deal we’ve signed
Well, that doesn’t seem to stop the US now does it?
Laws and deals only work if both parties are trustworthy enough to honour their deals and follow the laws under an independent and impartial judiciary.
Acting trustworthy with a party that is not trustworthy is insane. You need to make them understand that if they won’t keep their word, then no one else will keep theirs. Otherwise there is no incentive on the other party to behave. Do what the US does to others, and just don’t send the money.
Well, that doesn’t seem to stop the US now does it?
In your world, does “he broke the law so now I get to break the law too” sound like a smart idea?
In most worlds, if one of two parties won’t follow the contract/treaty law, there is no law. But sure, you do you Chamberlain
There is a problem with that, the Canadian market is drying up for US companies. They are dammed if they stay and dammed if they leave. The leaving part is probably less expensive in their eyes.
Stellantis fucked over everyone during lockdown supply shortages, but never returned the pricing to normal, all for the least reliable vehicles in the industry. No surprise, customers are now waiting 12-14 months for Toyotas instead.
It’s drying up because car prices increased by 60% in the past decade. When a used car is over $30k, it becomes very hard to justify a vehicle purchase.
They’ll cite “supply chain” issues, but then conveniently leave out that they’ve intentionally lowered production, maintaining scarcity. It’s been almost 6 years since the chip shortages and other issues that stemmed from the pandemic, yet it’s still used as a lazy excuse.
Yes, there were some issues with supply years ago, and the prices increased, but there’s little to no pressure on these companies to reduce them now that those issues have long been cleared up.
Once the price goes up, it never comes down.
I was looking at some long-term numbers on the F-150 recently. Over 30 years it’s been going up well above inflation. I think the number I got was over 5% per year, every year.
Because fucking dimwits keep buying them.
What’s Canada going to do when Stellantis is likely going to talk to the orange man to keep whatever legal action they may face at bay. It’s all boiling down to business deals, despite kickbacks, contracts, incentives etc.
Here’s a wild idea - maybe the feds should be massively transitioning to renewables (batteries, renewable energy, charging stations etc all need workers) and give current autoworkers jobs in that field or something that they can transfer their skills to? Make the transition seamless. But I’m sure no one in the federal government is willing to even begin thinking about that because, I believe politicians aren’t willing to do the hard work to make it happen. They’d rather throw money at it to make the problem go away via corporate deals.
