I don’t usually have sufficient motivation to post much on any social media platform. This is rare for me. I am putting this out in the world in part hoping for some validation, in part hoping it sparks some kind of social action to save some semblance of privacy and dignity in this modern world.

Warning: this is long.

I just wrote an email to a recruiter withdrawing my interest in pursuing a job (it’s a recruiter hired by the hiring company). I am a software engineer with decades of experience who has been unemployed for almost a year with almost no interviews. I’m hungry for paying work. Yet. I did this. Below is the email I wrote, and it is hopefully self explanatory.

I think my career might be over - especially if the kind of process I experienced is now the standard for hiring. I want nothing to do with it.

I wrote this after multiple days of trying to set up my system for the “assessment”. I ended up having to install Windows 11 (I’m a Linux guy) because the assessment environment simply didn’t work. I tried FireFox, disabled plugins, tried two versions of Chrome - neither would work. It apparently had to be the Google version.

I upgraded an old version of Win 10 (because Microsoft pretty much forced it). Got it to work on Firefox for Windows.

Twice, mid-way through the assessment, it reset itself to square one. I didn’t try a third time. This assessment software monitored my face and would raise an alarm if I looked away. It controlled my microphone. It required full access to every aspect of the browser and had me do an alt-tab partway through this “test” in order to ensure I wasn’t using any other software. Insulting. Invasive. My equipment. My home.

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First, I appreciate your understanding and that you gave me what information you have on how this software works. Now, the hard part. My disappointment will show in the text, and it is not directed at you or your company.

I’m inclined to cease pursuing this. I feel insulted by the process in the first place, but went through it understanding that we, as job seekers, have to accept compromises we would not otherwise accept because having a job is a fundamental requirement to literally survive and provide for our children.

However, the more I’m expected to change my personal, owned equipment and software in an invasive fashion just so some stranger can have 100% surveillance on my activities in my home in order to be considered for a job interview, the more insulted I become.

Granted, I’m unusual. I’ve dedicated myself to protecting my electronic privacy by installing malware and advertisement blockers on my phones, computers, tablets. I use VPN. I built my own home NAS because I am uncomfortable with placing all my personal, financial, and health records into “the cloud” (and being charged for the privilege). I am teaching myself how to use AI by downloading and running models in my home lab because I don’t want to give out my privacy and income to strangers.

I stopped using Windows at home years ago because I could not stand the way it was dictating to me how to run my computer and constantly seeking to part me from my money with distracting advertisements while siphoning everything about me back to their servers to better market to me. Worse, it was forcing me to buy new hardware in order to simply run the system after upgrades.

Here I am, faced with a stark choice. Debase my values for the sake of the possibility of a job with a company that apparently doesn’t consider applicants worthy of dignity, or remain unemployed - possibly forced to exit the career I love if everybody is doing this - and potentially fall into poverty.

If they’re doing this before they even talk to me, it tells me that as an employee I will have at minimum this same level of surveillance. Knowing this in the back of my mind will burn me out in under six months.

Unfortunately, I don’t think I could live with myself if I chose the first option, so I respectfully withdraw myself from this process. I’m a professional. I expect to be treated like one. If there are companies who are serious about hiring a professional, I’m all in. Please engage me.


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    Jesus. That’s brutal. I’m not in the software world and have never experienced an process like you just described.

    I do remember feeling similarly disgusted years ago applying for a retail job where I had to do an insulting “phone” interview/test where a computer asked me a bunch (like 20-30) of dumb fucking questions like:

    • “Have you ever stolen money from your job?”
    • “Do you think it’s okay to come to work drunk?”
    • “If you put money in a vending machine and got two items instead of one, would you put additional money in for the second item?”

    That last question very specifically is one I’ll always remember because of how incredibly stupid and insulting it is.

    I hope you find work at a company that respects you as a human being and as a professional.

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      “If you put money in a vending machine and got two items instead of one, would you put additional money in for the second item?”

      No, I fucking wouldn’t, and I wouldn’t like to work for anyone who wouldn’t hire me because of that fact.

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        Neither would I. They can deduct it from the running tab of money vending machines have stolen from me over the years, the pricks.

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        How dare you not compensate the Coca Cola company for its loss, through its own actions, of a few pennies! You monster! Terrorist!

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        No, I fucking wouldn’t, and I wouldn’t like to work for anyone who wouldn’t hire me because of that fact.

        “no, i fucking wouldn’t” is the right answer. answering otherwise would not lead to you being hired (or at least not based on that answer), it would lead to you being considered extremely untrustworthy in your responses in the questionnaire.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Validity_scale

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          I half convinced myself the test session blowouts were actually a personality test. Would I keep trying the same thing 5, 10, 15 times? Am I supposed to contact them calmly seeking support? Does the way I respond reveal something undesirable? These thoughts enraged me even more.

          If they’re looking for integrity and honesty, their tests engender a different response. Anybody who expects those positive behaviors from me loses access to them the moment they deny me the same on their part.

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            I half convinced myself the test session blowouts were actually a personality test. Would I keep trying the same thing 5, 10, 15 times? Am I supposed to contact them calmly seeking support? Does the way I respond reveal something undesirable?

            i don’ think so. it works similarly when kids do some online assessment tests as part of entrance exam in schools for example. all the interviewer, whoever they are, just try to offload all their expenses on the other side and they get away with it because people usually don’t have a choice 😔

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        I had it happen to me occasionally in a work setting many years ago. I was calling it getting a crit from the vendor machine. Happy times.

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        I’d probably give the extra item to someone, even if a stranger, but I certainly wouldn’t put more money in the machine. Especially considering most machines just give the money back if there’s no purchase made. What a dumb question.

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        I answered it “No”, because it’s so dumb. Back then I needed the job so I made the compromise, and I was so happy when I was able to leave that job.

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      That’s not even how vending machines work. You would just be paying for a new third item not the free second one.

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      “If you put money in a vending machine and got two items instead of one, would you put additional money in for the second item?”

      That is wild.

      The vending company factors this into the prices they charge for the items, the amount they spend on the machine to ensure accuracy, and the amount they pay the people who stock the machines to do it properly.

      If you take it upon yourself to unilaterally re-balance the equation, you’re not being noble, you’re just a fool.

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        Exactly! That question was later in the “test”, and my eyes were already rolling so hard. When I got that question I was dumbfounded by how stupid it is

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      “If you put money in a vending machine and got two items instead of one, would you put additional money in for the second item?”

      I’ve done this twice in a row. First off, it is not my problem how the person stocking the vending machine puts two pieces of product together to make it happen. I’m not in their shoes, it’s not my job, therefore not my problem. Anybody who pays twice is a fool in that situation.

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        Besides, if the machine works correctly, you will get a third one. If you don’t choose, the next person gets a freebie.

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      The last one isn’t one that would generally disqualify you, more to catch you lying. There doesn’t exist people who would put more money in a vending machine because it’s a stupid idea and vending machines don’t work that way.

      Ethical answers to that range from the utilitarian give it to someone hungry to the deontological leave it since it’s not yours. But putting more money into a malfunctioning vending machine is chaotic stupid on the ethical charts.

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      Wtf – if you put more money in a glitchy vending machine, you’re gonna get yet more items.😑