Well that’s exactly what I did, so obviously it didn’t work for you, but substitutes absolutely did it for me. Don’t know why you’re so incredulous.

I’m able to make a false analogy too : It’s kinda like training wheels on a bike. It makes the experience of biking easier for the one learning and eventually you can remove them.

Yeah, but what if they’re not loaded with methylcellulose, or what if we do eventually come close to the real meats or what if this is a gateway product that could convert carnists?