• ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksOP
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    2 days ago

    Hypothetical of the day, if you’re forced into sudden fight or flight situation and you decide to fight can you determine reasonable use of force on the fly without hesitation?

    What would you do?

    • Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca
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      7 hours ago

      Whatever it takes for me to be able to get away and nothing beyond that. That could be a single punch, it could be a gun shot. All depends on the circumstances at the time. The point is “only what is necessary for me to escape”.

    • Otter@lemmy.caM
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      13 hours ago

      I found this interview by CBC to have a good amount of detail, see around 8:00 for your question

      https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7gbMJCW2xY

      Reasonable force doesn’t mean planning it out perfectly in a stressful situation. It means doing what a reasonable person would do in your shoes.

      • someone comes at you with a knife and it looks like they’ll hurt you -> deadly force is more warranted
      • someone is standing back while holding a wrench and telling you not to come closer -> deadly force is not as warranted

      Like the video describes, there’s still lots to this case that we don’t know and to me it doesn’t seem like this is setting any new precedent

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      2 days ago

      What would you do?

      Well first off I live in a province where our Trespass Act permits me to physically remove trespassers. If that person assaults me during that removal, I will defend myself. But I used to do that for a job so I’m much more adept at navigating confrontation and responding to violence than the avg person.

      Ultimately in a home invasion situation, I just want to avoid my house getting trashed. I do have “whacking sticks” staged throughout my house. I also have flashlights with strobe function (GOAT self defense tool fyi).

      1. De-escalation. “Hey man. You Okay?” “This ain’t your house” “Can you please leave”

      2. Assertive that I will not victimized. "There’s the door. Leave now or else tonight is going to end very badly for you.

      3. Attempt to remove them while creating a tactical advantage such that I can preemptively strike as to end the altercation with minimal damage to all parties.

      4. TKO them. People with concussions cannot provide reliable testimonies.

      5. Call an ambulance/police. 50/50 They wake up and assault the police officers. Makes things suuuuper easy for you.

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      2 days ago

      I’ve been assaulted and defended myself multiple times. Our laws are specifically designed to account for the unique the context of every situation.

      Forced into sudden fight or flight situation and you decide to fight can you determine reasonable use of force on the fly without hesitation.

      1. If you were forced to defend yourself than you had no choice. So regardless of the damage you inflict, the first bar to reasonable self defense is to prove that you were deprived the ability to alternative choices.

      2. Determining reasonable force is as simple as proving that you once the assailant stopped being a threat, you stopped inflicting damage on them.