I hope this hour has 22 minutes takes him out for a beer
I’m a proud Canadian, but I’d be even more proud if we had the electoral reform he explicitly promised in his first campaign. He accomplished some good things, but fuck we coulda used that.
This might not be a popular opinion here, but I’m really not all that hurt by the fact that he didn’t try to go through with the electoral reform stuff. I don’t think it’s going to have enough support to have a chance of passing until we spend another couple of decades or so dancing around it. Backing off a campaign promise because you come to the conclusion that it isn’t really feasible isn’t the worst thing a politician can do (and bulling forward even though you’ve been repeatedly told it isn’t a good idea gets you Donald Trump). That a centrist party made electoral reform a campaign promise at all indicates that the idea is gaining traction, and while faster would be nice, I’ll settle for progress in baby steps over no progress at all.
Backing off a campaign promise because you come to the conclusion that it isn’t really feasible…
I’m sorry, but I do not believe that’s what happened.
This article gives a timeline of the events in line with how I recall things (and why I don’t accept that the failure to reform was the result of a good-faith attempt).
Also if you watch the electoral reform segment on Nathaniel Erskine-Smith’s podcast interviewing Trudeau, he quite literally says that PR survived the committee process further than he had hoped, and he had to put the brakes on electoral reform against the recommendations of the committee and experts because he personally was very against PR.
“I … had been very clear with caucus … how much I am opposed to the idea of proportional representation … It was something that I had to leave a little bit of a door open to, and unfortunately, because of that, it got further. … I was not going to let that move forward.”
Here’s an excerpt from the article:
Part of the Liberals’ 2015 campaign promise was to create two mechanisms to ensure democratic control over the process of reforming the electoral system. The first was the all-party House of Commons Special Committee on Electoral Reform (ERRE), which exercised representative democratic control: it guided the process, investigated the alternatives in depth, heard from expert witnesses, ensured cross-party support, and enabled parliamentary oversight. The second mechanism was made up of a range of public consultations that ensured a degree of popular democratic control: an e-consultation platform, town halls across the country, mail and phone surveys, and petitions that gave all Canadians the opportunity to participate in deciding on a new electoral system.
By the end of the process, both mechanisms favored proportional representation (PR): an electoral system where each party receives a percentage of seats in parliament equal to the percentage of the popular vote they win in an election. Based on its own investigations and the testimonies of the vast majority of expert witnesses, the ERRE recommended a referendum with two options: the current system (FPTP) or a new proportional system, to be designed by the government and explained to Canadians by Elections Canada in advance of the vote.
Public input similarly favored PR: the e-consultation platform showed a strong desire for change and support for most elements of a proportional system, and other avenues of public participation similarly backing PR and a referendum. Together, these representative and popular mechanisms provided the government with a mandate to give all Canadians the final say on whether or not to switch to PR.
And sure, I suppose that he was “told repeatedly that it wasn’t a good idea”, if you count liberal party appointees, and discount a non-partisan committee and expert opinions:
However, when the ERRE committee released its final report, the Liberals immediately began backpedaling. Maryam Monsef, then minister of democratic reform, rejected the report. Monsef was soon replaced, but the new minister only doubled down, claiming there was no consensus for change and defending the existing FPTP system.
If you’re willing to forgive this stuff, that’s fine, it’s your call to make.
But how this process unfolded convinced me that the electoral reform campaign promise had never been anything more than cynical manipulation of a very engaged interest group of voters, and the failure of the process was very messily engineered to provide cover for Trudeau to back out of it.
I’m gonna tell you unfortunately that if we did have that, we would have had the conservatives from 2019 onwards soooooo… Yeah, people can be fucking dumb still.
According to the modelling I can find,
yes, the conservative party would have won the most seats in 2021 if we’d had a more proportional system.I goofed, FairVote actually has the cons winning more seats under STV, but the liberals more under MMR.But critically, it does not mean that the Conservative Party would have formed goverment, because under a more proportional system, they would not have had the seats to form a majority.
They would have been forced to either build a coalition with another party or parties, or they would have had to allow a majority coalition to form government if they were unable to make enough concessions to do so.
For all of his many shortcomings (which, yes, there are a lot of them and many of them are pretty awful), I’m proud of how he’s handled this. I hope that he enjoys a peaceful and happy retirement with his family.
I think what had frustrated me is that the criticisms of him that matter half as much for more coverage than the ones that were twice as important.
A lot of the scandals were fully non issues too (I’ll die on the hill that WE was not Trudeau’s fault, the blame lies squarely on the public service And their procurement policies).
Lots of good, lots of bad, with any leader we should not get caught up trying to make Trudeau’s legacy black and white. We need to dig into the moments and decisions and impacts of all of it through as many lenses as possible to do better.
You are very wise, wise_pancake