They’ve shown themselves to be effective during the Liberal’s minority government, and both the Liberals and Conservatives may be “tested” but they have failed those tests to varying degrees.
And then there’s that “charismatic leader” crap. PP was such a dweeby shit-stain that even some Conservatives, such as my dad who surprisingly voted against him, thought he was childish asshole. Trudeau was just attractive but very hollow, and Carney is so fucking bland I still can’t even see him as the PM and he feels more like an “acting PM”. Meanwhile everyone is always saying that the NDP needs to have some uber charismatic leader to deserve any votes and even though Singh was very vocal despite the party’s lack of seats that apparently didn’t count. He didn’t just bend to the Liberals and used the NDP’s power within the minority government to represent their people and to push leftist policy.
Everything you’ve said sounds fine if you don’t look into any further than that. They don’t hold up under any amount of scrutiny.
Being in a position of being needed and using that to their advantage was both smart and good for Canadians. But still a far cry from showing leadership and certainly didn’t show they could handle dealing with a fascist gov’t threatening us.
As far as charisma, I never said it was needed to deserve anything. They don’t need a charismatic leader to be worth voting for, they need one to get people to really listen. This is unfortunate, but it’s the way of the world. Charisma will be needed to convince people to look at the NDP as a real choice. We’ve seen what a lack of it can do to one of the most popular parties in the country, the NDP needs every bonus they can get.
So they show us that they can represent(lead) their people even when it’s diffocult and even when the most power they have is leveraging their very few seats under a minority government and that doesn’t show leadership potential to you? And the Liberals showed us over and over that the most they can be trusted with is not making things massively worse on purpose. And I’m still not forgiving them for promising voting reform to get elected and throwing it out when they learned that if people actually had a real choice they’d likely never win again.
Canadians need to grow up. We sit here absolutely terrified to the point where the Liberals can do whatever they want since no one is paying attention and no one has the slightest spine necessary to stand up against them. They could run a stale bagel against some super charismatic NDP leader and it wouldn’t matter if the voter base is just going to say “I don’t want to vote for them but I need to”. We’re trained like abused dogs to run back to our shitty owners out of fear of retribution.
Dude, I’m not disagreeing with your views, but you’re just proving the point of why the conversation started in the first place; to the vast majority of Canadians, the NDP just weren’t an option. Believe me, you’re preaching to the choir, but I’d be deluding myself if I thought they had a shot this election.
This election, only one thing mattered; stopping the Conservatives. The NDP didn’t even remotely have that shot. The Liberals could, and did, and most voters knew that.
I’ll reiterate the entire point of this convo, the NDP were not an option this time.
How have I proved that the NDP weren’t an option? My entire complaint was that people believe them to not be an option, I’ve never argued that, but that they are intensely wrong about every point that gets brought up in support of their cowardice and/or they should stop lying about the fact that they never wanted to vote for them in the first place. Maybe you lost the plot somewhere along the road here but I’ve been very consistent about why I originally commented and how I’ve been talking about it.
Then again, we’ve already been over that strategic voters aren’t super good at paying attention or keeping the goalposts in one place.
They’ve shown themselves to be effective during the Liberal’s minority government, and both the Liberals and Conservatives may be “tested” but they have failed those tests to varying degrees.
And then there’s that “charismatic leader” crap. PP was such a dweeby shit-stain that even some Conservatives, such as my dad who surprisingly voted against him, thought he was childish asshole. Trudeau was just attractive but very hollow, and Carney is so fucking bland I still can’t even see him as the PM and he feels more like an “acting PM”. Meanwhile everyone is always saying that the NDP needs to have some uber charismatic leader to deserve any votes and even though Singh was very vocal despite the party’s lack of seats that apparently didn’t count. He didn’t just bend to the Liberals and used the NDP’s power within the minority government to represent their people and to push leftist policy.
Everything you’ve said sounds fine if you don’t look into any further than that. They don’t hold up under any amount of scrutiny.
Being in a position of being needed and using that to their advantage was both smart and good for Canadians. But still a far cry from showing leadership and certainly didn’t show they could handle dealing with a fascist gov’t threatening us.
As far as charisma, I never said it was needed to deserve anything. They don’t need a charismatic leader to be worth voting for, they need one to get people to really listen. This is unfortunate, but it’s the way of the world. Charisma will be needed to convince people to look at the NDP as a real choice. We’ve seen what a lack of it can do to one of the most popular parties in the country, the NDP needs every bonus they can get.
So they show us that they can represent(lead) their people even when it’s diffocult and even when the most power they have is leveraging their very few seats under a minority government and that doesn’t show leadership potential to you? And the Liberals showed us over and over that the most they can be trusted with is not making things massively worse on purpose. And I’m still not forgiving them for promising voting reform to get elected and throwing it out when they learned that if people actually had a real choice they’d likely never win again.
Canadians need to grow up. We sit here absolutely terrified to the point where the Liberals can do whatever they want since no one is paying attention and no one has the slightest spine necessary to stand up against them. They could run a stale bagel against some super charismatic NDP leader and it wouldn’t matter if the voter base is just going to say “I don’t want to vote for them but I need to”. We’re trained like abused dogs to run back to our shitty owners out of fear of retribution.
Be serious.
Dude, I’m not disagreeing with your views, but you’re just proving the point of why the conversation started in the first place; to the vast majority of Canadians, the NDP just weren’t an option. Believe me, you’re preaching to the choir, but I’d be deluding myself if I thought they had a shot this election.
This election, only one thing mattered; stopping the Conservatives. The NDP didn’t even remotely have that shot. The Liberals could, and did, and most voters knew that.
I’ll reiterate the entire point of this convo, the NDP were not an option this time.
How have I proved that the NDP weren’t an option? My entire complaint was that people believe them to not be an option, I’ve never argued that, but that they are intensely wrong about every point that gets brought up in support of their cowardice and/or they should stop lying about the fact that they never wanted to vote for them in the first place. Maybe you lost the plot somewhere along the road here but I’ve been very consistent about why I originally commented and how I’ve been talking about it.
Then again, we’ve already been over that strategic voters aren’t super good at paying attention or keeping the goalposts in one place.