There’s also, I think, the weird fucky option were 75% sorta works because the 25% applies to choosing 50% and 50% applies to choosing 25% which means that as long as you don’t choose 0% you’re good?

BUT ALSO, none of the question says it’s talking about itself. It could just mean in general, so we can choose 25% on purpose and then glare at whoever made A and D the same.

How have I proved that the NDP weren’t an option? My entire complaint was that people believe them to not be an option, I’ve never argued that, but that they are intensely wrong about every point that gets brought up in support of their cowardice and/or they should stop lying about the fact that they never wanted to vote for them in the first place. Maybe you lost the plot somewhere along the road here but I’ve been very consistent about why I originally commented and how I’ve been talking about it.

Then again, we’ve already been over that strategic voters aren’t super good at paying attention or keeping the goalposts in one place.

So they show us that they can represent(lead) their people even when it’s diffocult and even when the most power they have is leveraging their very few seats under a minority government and that doesn’t show leadership potential to you? And the Liberals showed us over and over that the most they can be trusted with is not making things massively worse on purpose. And I’m still not forgiving them for promising voting reform to get elected and throwing it out when they learned that if people actually had a real choice they’d likely never win again.

Canadians need to grow up. We sit here absolutely terrified to the point where the Liberals can do whatever they want since no one is paying attention and no one has the slightest spine necessary to stand up against them. They could run a stale bagel against some super charismatic NDP leader and it wouldn’t matter if the voter base is just going to say “I don’t want to vote for them but I need to”. We’re trained like abused dogs to run back to our shitty owners out of fear of retribution.

Be serious.

They’ve shown themselves to be effective during the Liberal’s minority government, and both the Liberals and Conservatives may be “tested” but they have failed those tests to varying degrees.

And then there’s that “charismatic leader” crap. PP was such a dweeby shit-stain that even some Conservatives, such as my dad who surprisingly voted against him, thought he was childish asshole. Trudeau was just attractive but very hollow, and Carney is so fucking bland I still can’t even see him as the PM and he feels more like an “acting PM”. Meanwhile everyone is always saying that the NDP needs to have some uber charismatic leader to deserve any votes and even though Singh was very vocal despite the party’s lack of seats that apparently didn’t count. He didn’t just bend to the Liberals and used the NDP’s power within the minority government to represent their people and to push leftist policy.

Everything you’ve said sounds fine if you don’t look into any further than that. They don’t hold up under any amount of scrutiny.

Deep.

I’m sure! But now we just have two conservative parties so go us! Like, we haven’t fixed anything with this brain-dead behaviour, all we’ve done is temporarily made things not quite as bad for the cost of obliterating our representation and further cementing our country as a centrist and right-wing garbage hole. Carney’s government literally tried to make the Air Canada strike illegal for some fucking reason; they don’t care about you and you’re fucking yourself in your own ass with a rusty iron poker while telling everyone how clever you are for doing it.

Congratulations! You’re a big smart hero for voting away your values like a good scared little baby.

PP was not going to let the US annex us as much as he probably cums all over himself thinking about it. Hell even right now his polling is dogshit and if he tried to actually make Canada a 51st state he’d get crucified(if he didn’t then we’d fucking deserve it anyway).

The NDP is only not an option because we say and act like it isn’t. They run plenty of candidates and a vote cast for them is worth the same as a vote cast for anyone else. The Liberal voters could have just as easily “strategically” voted for the NDP but nooo we always have to vote Liberal as the default. That’s fucking stupid as hell and you can’t ignore that fact and expect me to just go “oh right I forgot that this only works in one direction!”

There is nothing strategic about strategic voting. It is only done when the centrists threaten the left, and it only works in one direction. It’s an obvious trap that we fall for every time because no one actually thinks before they do anything. We could change our behaviour so easily.

Did you know that in the election before last, even with all the shit messaging from the Liberals, the NDP got more than half their votes? They HAVE support even if our system meant that the seats weren’t there. Someone admitting that they didn’t look at the numbers with any depth isn’t a gotcha.

Maybe the new party leader could come from elsewhere and request a by-election in PP’s riding where he would obviously step aside to let them take over.

Right?

Not anymore. Because we shot them in the face and spat on them after the fact so we get rat-fucked by slightly less dangerous conservatives pretending to be centrists and who are only called the woke left by the far-right because those people have a single, weak braincell between all of them. Congrats, everyone, we’re stupid.

I did watch the video. Yes, people think they’re smart and will vote against themselves because they look at past elections and not at the one they’re actually voting on. Thanks for proving my point that “strategic voting” is stupid as hell and corrupts the system.

That’s the same lame excuse every single election. I remember in 2019 when the only ads I ever saw from the Liberals were about how we had to unite against the Conservatives and I remember last week when the same shit was going on in the Montréal municipal elections. It happens all the time and the excuse isn’t worth dirt.

I’m sick and fucking tired of it. If you can’t use your vote responsibly don’t cast it. I would like people to use their power to vote and we know that anyone who says they’re “strategically” voting is well aware of the poison they’re putting in the system and that they know whonthey would otherwise vote for. If they actually deserved to use the word “strategy” they’d know that some things take time and letting another party steal your vote is just reactionary panic and has nothing to do with anything intelligent.

Your vote is your only real voice. If you aren’t going to say what you mean and mean what you say then shut the hell up.

Yea, says who? It’s not a probability thing and our voting system might suck but if they get more votes then they win and that’s the end of it. Vote for whoever aligns with your values or don’t show up and definitely keep your mouth shut when the center-right government that stole your vote starts doing exactly what any dumbass could have predicted they’d do.

Still not an excuse. They were on the ballot, and all we’re doing is kicking the can down the road. The race was way too tight already, next election is going to be rough and the only people we’ll have to defend us are the fucking Liberals.

Vote for the party platform that most closely aligns with your values or don’t show up at all. A vote cast against yourself weakens your representation and strengthens those who don’t give a shit about you after they’ve ripped off your vote.

If you make them, sure. We have three major parties, and others as well. Of course, people constantly vote “strategically” which is a way they make themselves feel good about voting against their interests. No one would call it strategic voting if it was simply the vote that actually represented them.

The far-right party gets the crazies and racists and whatnot and the center-right party gets the “I have gay friends” centrists and whatever leftists they can scare and/or threaten into voting for them against the far-right party.

Vote for what is closest to your values or just don’t show up because at least then you’re not giving false-positive support for something you don’t want.

We’re not a two-party system, champ.

The NDP were right there.

Centrists and conservatives don’t have the capacity to understand “return on investment” or “in-direct benefits”. Carney is saving money by not paying the bills, so to speak, and that only works until the first of the month rolls around.

I’m so sick of seeing the research and case studies pile up which show all the easy, low-risk solutions to most of our problems just for those morons to bust in and keep doing the same worthless bullshit.

Oh, there are enough jobs, it’s just that most companies would rather pay one overworked person to pull 60hr weeks to pump out mediocre work before burning out and being replaced than pay two happy and productive people to work 40hr weeks or, heaven forbid, three people to work 30-32hr weeks with a huge bump in moral and producitivity.

We got the money, we got the people, and we got the evidence that backs it all up.

We got what we voted for. The only thing that might stop a party being a valid choice is if they don’t have enough seats to win and even then that’s still not really an excuse because you should always vote for a representative if your riding that you actually believe in. The NDP could have won but it’s our collective idea that the Liberals are the default that fucks us over every time.

“I didn’t want the super conservatives so I spat in the face of the people I actually wanted so we could get the normal conservatives.”

Strategic voting is anything but. Strategy would imply planning ahead and foresight but what we do is just terrified, short-sighted, reactionary voting.

“I’m a good driver so it’s ok when I do it but also everyone else is dangerous and stupid but also cars are perfect.”

Followed by: “I don’t want to pay any taxes levied directly upon me as a driver and I believe that everyone, including the cyclists and public transit users, should pay for the road despite the fact that I do nearly infinitely more damage to it and require far more expensive infrastructure.”