Every generation since the boomers has had 1/4th the proportional wealth of the previous generation at the same points in their development.
Millennials have 1/4th the buying power of boomers, gen-z has 1/16th the buying power of boomers at any given age.
Wealth inequality is killing us all
I like that the image shows 5/10/15%. I haven’t seen THAT since the early 2000s. More commonly, starting 15/20/25 or 15/18/20, these days.
Absolutely infuriating.
I’ve been in Europe for a week each month this summer for work. I usually just eat in via groceries, but if it’s a café for a coffee in the morning or a dinner out with colleagues the prices are reasonable and tipping is a few €/£ for the entire group, if at all. No card tap payment is handed back to you with pre-calculated tip buttons. It just makes coming back to the US and paying relatively the same price for a meal and then being asked for 20% on top of that seem like bullshit.
It literally takes one to three finger presses on a machine to opt out of tipping when you don’t feel like it’s appropriate. I don’t understand why this has to be discussed over and over. It’s the lowest hanging fruit social norms change ever.
The thing is, touristy places like Vancouver will only ever see these go up because tourists are generally biased to believe that tipping 20% is normal. Get used to choosing “Other %”, it’s that easy.
If you aren’t talking about why tipping is a thing. Just shut up about this. Be an asshole or don’t. But just shut the fuck up.
There’s no reason to be mad at people who are underpaid. Be mad about why and how they’re underpaid. Be mad at who is underpaying them.
No… it’s the servers themselves who keep perpetuating this shit and supporting it in online discussions
ALL service workers are underpaid, but restaurant servers are making out like bandits.
Tipping sucks for the obvious systemic reasons. But also, the entitlement of service staff is problematic.
I refuse to tip in any situation where someone just makes something and hands it to me. Bare minimum, at least take my order at the table, and deliver it to my table. That gets you 10%.
I don’t do tips and I don’t do points. I just want to pay a dollar for something worth a dollar. I think those days are long gone though.
As an adult, I’ve also kicked tipping culture to the curb.
I’m sorry, you want 10% tip to pour me a coffee and put a piece of coffee cake on a plate?
As your boss that drives a high end luxury car to pay you more.
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Not doing something optional isn’t punishing someone
It is when you know they’re being paid less than minimum wage because they’re a server. Want to actually make a difference? Lobby for better labor laws. Otherwise, you’re just punching someone who’s already down and blaming them for it.
Less than minimum wage? That’s not a thing in Canada is it?
Fortunately not. But even in Canada, minimum wage is abysmal.
There is a “server wage” that is less than the minimum wage if you are not a server. Similar to the “youth wage” that is less than the minimum wage for an adult doing the same job.
Not in Ontario any more.
I can’t make sense out of this at all. How can you be paid a server wage when you’re not a server? How is the minimum wage a minimum if it can get lower? Am I just being pedantic?
It’s not if you aren’t a server, I was making a direct comparison between the minimum wage for servers and the minimum wage for non-servers.
There are many exemptions from the federal minimum wage in Canada, the ones I raised are just 2 of them. Temporary foreign workers and agricultural workers are also exempt, for example.
You could always look it up if you want to know more, it’s public information.
In the US, if the server doesn’t meet minimum wage using tips the balance comes from the business to ensure the serve has been paid minimum wage. Actual minimum wage, not server minimum wage. All tipping does is subsidize a restaurants labor costs.
Not tipping will definitely lower the income of a server since a lot make over min wage off tips. Labor laws need to change for servers so they aren’t in an exploitable position and have to rely on tips to live and deal with power tripping customers who think servers are their slaves b/c “they’re paying their wage”
Do not make blanket statements like this about the United States. Every state has different laws. Quite a few states have laws on the books that legally require all employees regardless of work to be paid full minimum wage so anyone making tips is getting paid significantly better than all the other minimum wage workers around them
Lobby for better labor laws.
Servers are the main opposition to this as they want to make even more via tips. This doesn’t change that tips are optional.
Well it will definitely make the employee think maybe we should find another job.
IMO if a company can’t afford to pay a decent wage they need to rework their business plan or get lost.
Apparently not, the way that we see it online, is to shame their customers and calling them cheap pieces of shit.
Yeah, the older Canadians too. It’s ridiculous that the owners make their workers depend on how much business they can bring in for their wages. Do it like the rest of the world and pay them a decent wage. The only way to change this is for everyone to stop tipping.
Fuck service fees, fuck tips, fuck all that shit. Pay people what their worth.
Only time I’ll tip for no reason is my local pho place, they remember me and know my order so I just throw an extra $2 at em every time. But I shouldn’t be obligated to do so as a service fee like that one buddy said.
I’ve tapped out of tipping culture for multiple reasons.
- I don’t tip at fast food joints because all you did was the bare minimum. Tipping is supposed to be rewarding for extra service. All you did was take my order and ask if I wanted fries with that.
- Prices are going up, so more of the amount I would have expected to pay is going to the base meal. For regular food, I try to tip so the final price is around $15 or $20. I don’t want to pay $30 for a burger and fries
- I’ve seen what tipping culture looks like when it gets out of hand. Go to the Hotel Zone in Mexico, and you’ll see what I mean. Nothing is genuine, everything is about milking the tourists. I was pretty disappointed by the end of the trip. Would not recommend.
- The base % is going up to try and milk customers, so I’m putting in the effort to counter that bullshit by picking no tip.
- Sometimes the tip doesn’t even go to the workers; Sometimes it goes to the owner. How can I tell?
Edit: I should add that there are times when I do tip, and it’s when good service beyond base expectations was provided. Like if I asked for recommendations and it wasn’t just the most expensive item on the menu, they were pretty prompt about taking my order, and/or it’s busy / during holiday season
Tipping is supposed to be rewarding for extra service.
Let me stop you right there. Tipping is supposed to be helping business owners to underpay their employees. It is nice to think that it should be for “extra service” (wtf is that even supposed to mean?) but all you do with tipping is get that servers salary up to an amount that helps them survive another day, financially. Which is what the job should do on its own.
Cause nobody has any money, and people want to make decisions about paying for stuff based on how much stuff actually costs.
Like if you went to a bookstore, and the book was $10, and you go to pay, and the store was like "akshually, if you don’t pay $12, the clerk doesn’t get paid, and the clerk is OK with that because maybe you’ll pay $13.
If the book costs $12, then maybe I’m still interested in that price. But if I expect to pay $10, and then the amount is more, then I’m feeling differently about that delta.
This is kinda my complaint with not adding the tax to the sticker price.
And you’re not even allowed to know what the tax is beforehand.
Good. The only way this is going to change is if customers stop coming to places that demand a tip when an employee looks up from their phone.
Leaving a tip for decent table service is a given, but the absurdity of being asked to tip if someone literally does nothing more than presses a button on a register is a great way to lose customers permanently. We used to be regulars of a couple of small fast food places that started with this bullshit. Haven’t been back since.
Leaving a tip for decent table service outside of North America isn’t a given though. On a global scale this is a regional cultural peculiarity.
I stopped tipping a while ago. For most places anyway.
