• Empricorn@feddit.nl
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    9 hours ago

    Duh. Remember that time where a MAGA person listened to facts and logic, not emotion? Yeah, me neither…

  • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk
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    11 hours ago

    It’s got like 5 users… Unless they’re actively causing trouble i would be in favour of not defederating.

    That said, i’m not a .ca user so it doesn’t really matter to me

      • LaLuzDelSol@lemmy.world
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        7 hours ago

        Good thing we’re all tolerant, and all of our political opposition isnt! We really dodged a bullet there…

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            4 hours ago

            The paradox of tolerance is just one philosophy on free speech (well really, an argument against it). Personally I think it is too easy to abuse to be a useful guide. EVERYONE thinks they are tolerant and EVERYONE thinks their political opposition isn’t, so if everyone subscribes to the idea of the paradox of tolerance you end up with the people with power always trying to suppress the opposition. For example conservatives literally refer to the left as “the intolerant left”.

      • PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@feddit.uk
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        10 hours ago

        The right wing movement continues to grow. you can assist them in locking themselves away in their bubbles where their ideology will continue to grow and fester or you can help address the problem and start winning hearts and minds.

        There is no other way out of this mess

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            Someone has to help them see the contradictions within their own beliefs, if they don’t get there on their own. For the most part, I think the most likely candidates are people who were once like them (and there are social media accounts like this), since they’ll be more likely to listen to someone who they feel understands them. If people who have already recovered from that life aren’t available, then someone matching the qualities they wouldn’t reject in a friend is the next best thing. In other words, THIS is where allies are supposed to shine if they want to be doing something meaningful to help.

            At the earliest, those of us in one or more of their currently most hated marginalized groups can start stepping in once they’ve crossed the threshold from “this doesn’t feel right” to “how do I start connecting with others in a healthier way.” Allies should help them bridge that initial gap first, and then the tougher-skinned ones among their friends in marginalized groups can ideally join in. That’s how a functioning, healthy society should work. Instead of tunnel vision/pipelines and social bubbles, we need genuine healing and connection.

            As an aside, I’ve been thinking a lot lately about how preemptive (as opposed to reactive) social isolation is actually remarkably analogous to expecting someone in financial poverty to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. It’s just that the problem is an emotional form of poverty instead of financial (or both). Some externalize the pain (hating/blaming group X), and some internalize it (any marginalized group that tries to be MAGA), and some do both (“own the libs!”) but all in all we’re talking about people trying to convince themselves they’re happy while also struggling to drown their own humanity.

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            9 hours ago

            By discussing their beliefs with them and not ridiculing them.

            By avoiding emotional inaccurate rhetoric and biased sources.

            By carefully deconstructing their beliefs without attacking them

            Not allowing yourself to be pulled off topic.

            • Hemingways_Shotgun@lemmy.ca
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              That kind of pie-in-the-sky happy happy optimism won’t work on MAGA. They are too far gone. Literally anything you say to them is a lie (in their mind). Every fact is “fake”. Every source is "Pfft…that’s what they want you believe*. Every survey is “biased” and every person who doesn’t agree with them is a “radical”.

              Your tips apply to regular debate, even to some degree with christian conservatives. But MAGA is legitimately a cult at that point.

              When they firmly believe that Charlie Kirk performed a miracle by preventing the bullet from killing people behind him, they aren’t a rational group anymore; they’re mentally ill.

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      10 hours ago

      Yeah but thats the perfect time imo. Better to do it now while there is no value than if it gets big and ca users have to abandon a community they may have been participating in (not every community is necessarily related to the main theme of the instance)

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    1 day ago

    I don’t think there’s any value associating with racists, sexists, homophobes, transphobes, or traitors.

    So, yes.

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    1 day ago

    I think everyone should. that’s the whole point of having a decentralized federation system: different people on different instances can decide what’s to Nazi for them to tolerate. Not like Xitter where one dude decides what’s the acceptable level of Nazi everyone should see every day.

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    1 day ago

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