As long as this includes churches I’m on board. Like, all kinds of churches.
I’ve never been inconvenienced by prayer and felt I needed government intervention.
Unpopular government shitting on minorities to shore up its popularity, aside from being morally reprehensible on its own, is literally how fascism is made.
I don’t see how this can be enforced without disallowing all public discourse. Maybe im reading it wrong.
Nah! You’re reading it right
Take a wild guess at who are praying in the streets in Quebec? The answer may surprise you
Homophobic zealots making everyone else feel uncomfortable?
Since they’re Catho-Facist I’ll say your right
Feels like anyone protesting with a bullhorn would be shut down. I mean whats a prayer vs whats any other talking.
Exactly
And for answering my own question : catho-facist, I wish I was joking but the last public prayer in Quebec was Atalante (facist group in Quebec City) in front of the Jeanne d’Arc statue on Plaines d’Abraham and some crazy Catholic guru not far from Stu Pit (facist influencer) in Montreal sadly I don’t remember his name.
The two times multiple call were made to the police, didn’t do shit and one time they protected the facist against a counter protest
Oh. That’s because Christianity is tradition.
They’ll find an out the same way they found an out for having religious symbols in public property after bill 21.
Teachers can’t wear religious symbols, you see? But schools, hospitals, streets, etc can have prominent religious symbols and names, I mean, if it’s Catholic it’s tradition, not religion.
Funnily enough (that’s not funny) there was no cross in the Assemblée Nationale (Québec Parliament) before Duplessis. One of the worst PM of the province. Each time a Quebecer is saying « that’s tradition » they’re lying to themselves
Average québécois religion bill
That seems a bit much. We don’t outlaw going in public and telling everyone you’re a bit gullible.
Who is praying in public, and why are they doing that? Seems like any god should be able to hear prayers done in private, no?
Usually it’s Muslims who want to get one of their mandatory prayers done in time because the prayers have set timeframes. For example if you’re only going home at night you have to do your sunset prayer somewhere and “somewhere on the side of the street” tends to be the most realistic option.
Some people like to be in your face about what they are into.
why
turns out: hatred of muslims
In Canada freedom of religion includes freedom from it. By preaching or practicing in public you infringe on everyone else’s rights.
Do you actually believe that? Do you actually believe that every time you see a church or a crucifix against your will, your rights have been violated? Or is this just bad faith / sloganeering?
Yes, that’s the country we live in.
It’s why there’s calls for politicians to resign whenever they mention god. (Yes there are campaigns to change the anthems)
I cannot tell if you are being ironic. Taking it at face value, what leads you to believe that in Canada, freedom of religion means that you have a right not to see anyone practicing religion?
I think anyone who grew up here would agree but it’s the reasonable limits clause.
What I find funny is when people act like these laws target Muslims when the majority of religious people in this country are Christians. The door knockers are the people being targeted. These laws protect Muslims from the Christians trying to force their religion on them because as a private matter your neighbours shouldn’t know what you practice.
Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on Earth, as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us. Thine is the kingdom, the power, and glory, forever and ever, Amen.
Do you believe you now have some kind of legal standing to have me punished or silenced?
Are you aware of an instance where the reasonable limits clause of Section 1 has been used to prevent a Canadian from exercising their religious and personal expression rights in public? Is this your personal interpretation, or can you cite something with legal weight? Governments can place limits on rights (like freedom of expression or freedom of religion) if the restriction can be shown to be reasonable, necessary, and justified in a democratic society. As far as I know, it has never been legally established that it is reasonable, necessary, and justified that Canadian citizens cannot pray in public. I believe I can show that Canadian courts have consistently upheld the right to practice and express religion publicly, unless it infringes concrete rights of others (e.g. hate speech, discrimination in services).
You find it funny? I don’t see humour in it.
People act like these laws target Muslims because these laws frequently target Muslims, both in France, and here in Quebec.
That makes zero sense logically.
Freedom of clothing includes freedom from clothing. By wearing clothing in public you infringe on everyone else’s rights.
Freedom of reading means freedom from reading. By reading in public you infringe on everyone else’s rights.
Freedom of speech means freedom from speech. By speaking in public you infringe on everyone else’s rights.
You see? It doesn’t make any sense and is actually the opposite of freedom.
Don’t try to argue that your prohibition as liberty. It’s nonsensical and the opposite of liberty.
Only one of those is a freedom
And yes we have freedom from hate speech and misinformation.
It’s called an analogy.
I no longer expect you to express understanding, since you’re so hell bent not to.
I think there are some very basic words for which you use a different definition than your audience expects.
I hope this spreads to Onterrible. And we should also stop giving public funds to catholic schools too
I’ve always thought it was weird we do.
I’ve always felt that Quebec has been on the right side of these kinds of issues. They get heat for anti-Islam rhetoric but they apply the rules to all religions, which IMO is the right approach.
Are you kidding me? They would have renamed all the “St” streets and neighborhoods and removed religious symbols from schools and other public buildings.
But I live in “Ville Marie”, Mount royal has a prominent cross, streets have names like Saint Antoine. Near my house there is a public school with a huge religious statue.
Bill 21 is not pro laicity if the state. For that I’d be in favour. But anything Catholic is “tradition” so it gets a pass.
On paper it might look good but I’m not convinced that’s true in practice. This one is pretty overreaching in my opinion.
Remember when they banned religious symbols in government buildings… except for the Catholic cross at the National Assembly?
Lol they don’t apply the rules to all religions… The CAQ will bend over backwards to allow Catholic stuff arguing its part of our culture.
They don’t apply the rules to all religion equally
That still does nothing to justify why the rules should even exist.
