Personally, my trust in any specific individual is entirely based on that individual, regardless of their nationality or any other factor… Because I’m not bigoted like that.
However, my trust in the American government and my willingness to use American brands has been permanently altered.
Given how much surveillance most major tech companies do on their users, I’m just about ready to break out the tin foil. Shit is getting wild.
This. I live in a bubble in California. We still have decent folks here. When I travel the country I tend to encounter the chuds at airport bars. The key child indicator is to respond that you’re from San Francisco when they ask. They won’t be able to contain the fox news eulogy for San Francisco and how it used to be a great state before it got "ruined "
That’s okay, I haven’t trusted America in decades, and I’m American. Canadians are wise to be mistrustful of our GOVERNMENT. Most of the people are mostly cool. It’s just the MAGAs you have to hide your kids from.
After this nightmare is over, the Untied States need a complete overhaul
A complete overhaul is the prerequisite for this nightmare to be over.
Yeah, talk about putting the cart before the horse.
I’ve had beef with them ever since they dressed up in redface and threw a bunch of perfectly good tea into the Boston harbour. Quite rude, and they never apologized for it.
beef has gotten really expensive in the US.
Dw us and the injuns got pay back. How did reward them? Oh right…https://www.ontario.ca/page/indian-residential-schools
Ah yes. Native American. Famously for participating the the Boston tea… Hold on…
Are you a bot?
You know Canadians burn down the white house, right? And the first nation people were the one that led the atk? Right?
Strange way to bring up that particular atrocity.
Doesn’t seem to have any bearing on the subject matter of the OP, or the commenter you’re replying to.
Weird.
I think the rest of the world thinks that too
I think that the rest of the world has been thinking that at some level already since shortly after WWII
The other 4 didn’t trust them to begin with.
Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.
both… after electing a convicted felon and rapist to the presidency for a SECOND time, Americans cannot escape responsability in my books
I can’t blame you. But to quote a movie … “A person is smart. But people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals…”
precisely, I don’t hate Americans, I just can’t trust them blindly
Honestly, same here.
Well, one makes the other.
Sorta… But only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags. And of those, most of them voted that way because of a single R. So I’d guess around 75% of the people don’t agree with what is going on.
So as a concrete example, I’m an American and I’d go out of my way to help most anyone but I am not the United States.
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Sorry but the 35% who didn’t vote, knowing the threat of Trump becoming president again was looming, are no different than those who voted Republican.
The whole world remember his first presidential term. And we all saw the Project 2025 playbook. The US is in a mess of its own creation.
As a Brit, I too have lost trust in Americans unless proved otherwise.
Here is one of those people who shouldnt be trusted.
Oh I know, I don’t blame you in the least. I’m losing trust in my fellow Americans. The whole process was just a major fustercluck. I woke up the morning after with a serious case of dread of what was about to happen. The apathy in this country is a major issue no doubt. I’m hopeful that as shit gets worse and worse, the apathy goes away. If it doesn’t, then Handmaid’s Tale becomes more of a playbook and less a work of fiction.
Handmaid’s Tale becomes more of a playbook
It already is.
Project 2025 intentionally leads to Gilead.
We are definitely in the first few chapters.
okay so you’re saying that we should be safe and play the odds and not trust any americans since the grand majority did nothing to stop this
Sure not everyone is on board, especially how it’s going lately, but you do spell it out kind of. Only 65% voted, that’s 35% who just decided to like give up or something. A third of you. Then a third voted MAGA, a thorn other.
That’s the danger of the stupid third.
Right now, they are a danger for more than just Canadians.
I’m not trying to be an apologist. I’m just saying most of us aren’t that stupid, xenophobic, and racist. But some of us definitely are.
Look, you may be a wonderful person. I know very little about you individually.
But, by your own numbers, the best we can say about almost 3/4 of Americans is that they are complicit in what is happening. The last election proved that they are at least “ok” with a second Trump administration even after everything that was said and done before election day.
Given that, I hope you can understand why the rest of the world needs to take a different view than “most of us aren’t that stupid, xenophobic, and racist”.
Your own evidence (that you presented) does not support your conclusion.
My only conclusion is that the pain numbers haven’t reached a point that requires action. Most people can’t see the forest for the trees and are painfully oblivious to what is going on because of whatever reason. Stupidity, willfully ignorance, it’s hurting the”right” people more, etc.
And by “my numbers” it’s more like 50%-60%. I just want you to understand that just because the government is doing it, doesn’t mean a plurality of the citizens feel the same way. Hell even some of the most ardent GOPers are starting to balk at the shit that’s happening.
Now, with that said, I would not come to the US as a foreigner for any reason right now whatsoever. It’s just not worth it.
only about 65% of us voted in the last election and of that only 50% voted for these douchebags
So what you are saying is that the overwhelming majority of you participated in the election of Donald Trump.
Got it.
What was your other point again?
Can’t trust Americans or can’t trust the United States because those are two inherently different groups.
Did I miss the violent military coup?
I mean, there was that one guy that riled up his supporters to attack the capital. But then 70% of “Americans” participated in his democratic election as President just a few months ago.
Are you suggesting we trust those guys?
There may have been thousands of guns there on Jan 6th but they only found like three in the hands of civilians. You’ll know if Americans get riled up enough to attack the capital.
And no, 70% of the population didn’t vote for him, he got just under 50% of the votes, but that was only about 23% of Americans.
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A country != the population, especially under dictatorship
I don’t agree. They elected this fool AGAIN, I don’t care for the American people as a whole at this point. They’re also very unlikely to stand up and protect Transgender people who now, quite literally, have a target on their backs.
Fuck em. I’ll never trust an american again.
The United States population democratically elected Donald Trump less than a year ago. Only 30% opposed his election.
At best, you are arguing that 70% of a population does not equal a population.
But let’s move beyond the election.
The US is not yet a dictatorship. That said, the administration is pushing it closer to that point every day. The population still has the power to stop that. What are they doing wield that power? Not much.
I am afraid we disagree strongly on how accountable we need to hold “the population”. They are at best complicit and at worst collaborators. Either way, they should not be defended.
Statesian here. Same.
Wow! That’s like fifty percent. Those wacky polls.
I never understood this stereotype (aboot vs about). I’m Canadian, lived here all my life, my family is all Canadian and all have lived here all their lives. I’ve got family all across the country, from the western coast of BC to the eastern coast of Newfoundland, from the northern stretches of Nunavut to the most southern tip of Ontario, and very rarely have I ever heard it pronounced that way. It’s actually really funny as a Canadian to look up “how to speak like a Canadian” and watch how awful most of the “tips” are. I’d recommend it.
Afaik, the aboot thing is a regional dialect thing in parts of Ontario.
And, as we know, Toronto represents all Canadians… (or at leat thinks they do)
Let’s hope the new “Toronto man” accent doesn’t come to represent all of Canada in the coming years.
It’s because everyone’s accents have gotten less distinct/strong due to TV. I know people from the US south with barely an accent because of this.
Also, some of the accent stereotype comes from your own movie productions, especially older ones when the accents were more like that:
Granted they are playing this up for their characters
I absolutely love Bob and Doug McKenzie but they’re definitely not representative of the average Canadian. Like you said, they’re playing it up for their characters. They play an exaggerated stereotype of a dim-witted drunken Canadian. They’re kind of like Canadian Homer Simpsons in a way. A great comedy duo, truly one of the best, but most Canadians don’t sound like that.
its more like “a-boat”. I’ve never even been to Canada, but I can often spot a Canadian on TV within moments based on how they speak.
How does an American pronounce it?
A vast majority of the Canadians I know pronounce it the same way as “out”, “sprout”, “trout” etc.
A lot of people in the us will misinterpret a rural Ontario accent as Californian because way back in the day a bunch of people from Ontario moved to California and apparently the accent kind of caught on.
There’s a town called Ontario in California even.
A boawt
It’s exaggerated. I’m from Newfoundland and have little to no regional accent, but still have very slight grammatical and phonetic tells that are apparently obvious to people from elsewhere.
I use more long “O” sounds than people in the US which is apparently obvious almost immediately, and I have some odd grammar switch apparently singles me out as from NL very quickly to anyone in Canada.
Also, apparently the way I say “thirteen” has a stronger hint of Newfoundland in it than the rest of my speech, at least according to one of my co-workers from Ontario.
It’s quite possible that having such a wide ranging family same social circle has simple acclimated you to the various regional differences in dialect.
It’s exaggerated.
I watch a lot of Canadian Youtube, it’s totally a mix.
80% of the time it’s identical to US about
19% of the time it’s aboawt.
1% of the time it’s totally a-boot.
With a US English ear, it’s jarring. (not in a bad way) but we totally notice it.
Not eveyone does it. Linus from Linus tech tips drops one every few shows, but then Electro Boom never does. Bobsdecline does it a little less often.
It’s kind of like the US and Brittish people saying Idear instead of idea. it happens once in a while
I think Linus does it as a meme, more than as part of his natural speech.
And Bobsdecline is from the opposite coast.
The aboot thing is mostly a southern Ontario thing, but since that is where a lot of traditional media comes from, it is the most commonly exported Canadian regional accent.
Linus might be meaming it, but I have heard others say it. The aboat version of it is even common across the northern border in central US.
I also just ran across a video of two Canadian English teachers talking about it, but they too were almost in the aboat class.
I think “oot” emphasises the difference from US accents for parody reasons, and also it’s just not that simple to describe that difference by substituting a single letter of the alphabet. The best way I can think of to describe it (based on experience with friends from BC) is like a combination of “oht” and “oat”
I’m in the US and I have to support this analysis. I dated someone from Canada when I was younger, and at first he expressed the same thought as the poster above - he didn’t hear the difference, so he didn’t get it.
Until he came to visit me in the states. The difference between how his dad and my dad talked was so apparent, the stereotype just “clicked.” To say “aboot” is definitely an exaggeration, but in all fairness, it’s really hard to repeat a sound that isn’t in your native dialect. There is no US-English equivalent for the “ou” sound in Canadian English “about.”
It’s like when a Japanese speaker uses a Z sound instead of English TH - it’s not because Z is exactly what they hear when an English person says TH, but because the TH sound doesn’t exist in Japanese at all. In both cases (and so many more across the world), speakers substitute non-standard sounds with ones they already know.
Same, never heard ‘aboot’ in my life. However, I do tend to say ‘-eh’ all the time, especially at the end of sentences as emphasis.
I definitely use “eh” a lot, that stereotype is pretty accurate, though I feel like a lot of Americans don’t quite understand the usage of the word.
I bet more in ten Americans feel the same way about Americans.
Yeah, I was just wondering what the hell is wrong with 4/10 Canadians?
Every country has “the idiot third”, add a couple “IDK” and bam 40%
half of those are probably Bertans
… It’s probably about the same. A certain idiot never really dips below 38% approval rating.
They don’t trust us, we don’t trust them.
I don’t know who we is, but you’re right.
As an US American watching two decades of secular human sacrifice through the long tail of the gunpowder revolution has left me undernourished and starving for humanity.
I’m afraid that the humanity you starve for has always been an ideal, and not reality.
It feels like we’re near or possibly over the precipice of losing our democracy
I’d just caution our friends to the north and those across the pond that when I look at people like Carney and Starmer I see people as bad or worse than Biden and then I look at who’s waiting in the wings…
It’s been gone since Citizens United, dude.
Definitely worse than Biden, but the systems they’re running are better than the one in America so it about evens out. Which, given how the American situation went, is really fucking bad.
Same
They’ve been taking advantage of us for decades, while we have 10x the resources per capita that they do, and now they want to cry and whine about unfair treatment?
Fuck them. Let them find out.
4 in 10 never trusted them to begin with
The one silver lining to this whole fascist takeover of the US is that I’m not an odd one out in my hatred of the USA anymore. The exceptionalism and arrogance of Americans always weirded me out and I guess this is where that all that shit lead
What’s scary is even the anti-Trump ones are like that. There’s a lot of them trying to come to Canada and they’ll say things like “my great great great grandfather was Canadian, Canada is my TRUE HOME also what’s with all these Chinese immigrants in Vancouver??” like ma’am that Chinese man has probably been here for 3 generations he is more Canadian than you. Don’t get me started on how they’ll pick out certain stereotypes to try to sound more Canadian, like “oh I LOVE poutine and hockey, it must be in my blood because I’m TRES CANADIAN”. Like they genuinely do not get it.
The one silver lining to this whole fascist takeover of the US is that I’m not an odd one out in my hatred of the USA anymore.
I’ve been saying for a long time that US fascists are only bringing forth America’s true face. It has always been arrogant, genocidal, and imperialist. Ask Latin America and the Middle East if they have positive view of the US. Even my country after being liberated from Spanish rule, the US took over us despite opposition and used the same suppression tactic as they had applied to Native Americans. This is in spite of US proclaiming to be the land of the free. “You are not free unless we say so”. “Follow the international law and rules based order, except for us”. Biden himself affirmed US will invade The Hague if the International Criminal Court arrests any American citizen. He pardoned his son from criminal conviction. But when Trump does it all, that is corruption and illegal? So much for shining beacon on the hill, land of the free and proponent of international law.
The US establishment since inception are closeted fascists from the get-go and doesn’t even know it. Now, Trump is bringing to light the truth. And why not? The voters demanded authenticity and this is what they get as asked. In “The Shining”, a major theme is America’s colonial past and one of the quote is “you’ve always been the caretaker”. The US has always been a fascist but never knew its real face. Where did the word fascism comes from? From Latin “fasces”. Where did the words “empire” and “colony” come from? From Latin as well. Where did the US republic model itself? From the Romans, who committed genocide, engaged in slavery, practised imperialism and was hedonistic and heavily unequal as society. From anti- and post-colonial perspective, countries that either modeled itself from the Roman empire or sees itself as the next Rome always collapse-- from the British, Germans, Russians, Spanish, France and now the US.
