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Not to defend RFK, but this argument is dumb.
People from everywhere it doesn’t natively grow developed cancer long before they had access to tobacco. That doesn’t prove tobacco use doesn’t cause cancer, it just means it isn’t the only potential cause.
That’s because cancer is a category of diseases, not a single one. Specific types of cancer that are caused by smoking are caused by smoking (there is afaik 12 of those, and some are associated with prolonged inhalation of any smoke, and some are only tabaco-related, but it doesn’t matter)
The point is, the claim is that Tylenol is “linked to” autism.
This post is rebutting the claim that Tylenol “causes” autism.
Thats a classic straw man argument.
No, the post is claiming that because Tylenol was discovered after autism, it can’t be a cause of it. That’s flawed logic: it’s true that autism must also have some other cause, but it’s very possible in principle for things to have multiple causes, so the timeline argument proves nothing.
That’s not to say that Dipshit McBrainworm’s claim has any sort of merit whatsoever, mind you. It’s just that this argument is defective.
the timeline argument proves nothing
That’s what I said ?
If there is a bump in cases of autism post-Tylenol, then it might be a cause, if there isn’t, it can’t be. That’s the reason for the timeline argument, that’s what it proves.
“Linked to” means “might cause in some cases”. If it’s “linked” then it should be at least correlated. The disconnect between the two shows that it isn’t.
Are there any cancers that were found to be “caused by smoking” before 2003?
Of those, are there any that have subsequently also been found to be “caused by” vaping (such as the tobacco-related ones)?
If so, then it means vaping is indeed a cause (as opposed to the singular cause) of those cancers even though they were around before vaping was invented (in 2003).
That’s why this meme is bad.
If you focus on nicotine specifically, nicotine causes specific type of cancer. Change in the delivery mechanism would cause fluctuations in dosage, but it doesn’t matter in this case (we ignore other types of cancer not to bog down the analogy).
If one would argue that Tylenol causes autism, two things should be shown, the delivery mechanism of Tylenol before it was invented/isolated, to explain pre-Tylenol cases of autism, and/or specific uptick in autism when it was started to be used as medication.
It’s possible that the meme is good you just didn’t get it.Or that Tylenol is able to aggravate a pathway that results in development of autism. This would move it from “Tylenol causes autism” to “maternal use of Tylenol may be a trigger for development of autism in utero”. The latter statement would also require providing compelling that autism (or a condition currently indistinguishable from it) is either not genetic as currently suspected or is like schizophrenia in requiring both a genetic predisposition and a “trigger”.
Now, that’s quite a bit to have to prove and there’s no way in hell RFK Jr of all people managed to figure it out in 6 fucking months. So yeah if China or the EU starts saying this maybe it’s worth considering the possibility, otherwise it’s just another unsubstantiated claim that unfortunately means pregnant people are going to be recommended it’s not worth risking
Also I’m pretty sure paracetamol has been around for about 150 years or more.
Also dumb because it wasn’t until 1943 that we had the first diagnosis of autism. OP is just making shit up.
The logic of the ‘meme’ is just bad. Something being identified before something else does not mean the second thing cannot create the first.
Cancer existed before cigarettes, yet cigarettes still cause cancer. Using this ‘meme’s’ logic, “anyone trying to tell you that cigarettes cause cancers is entirely full of crap”.
This is another dumb take. Cigarettes don’t cause cancer, they increase cancer risk.
RFK is claiming he knows the cause of Autism not something that can increases its risks.
The logic of this meme is sound.
You know how cigarettes increase cancer risk? They do it by causing cancer
We are here talking about RFK’s insistence that Tylenol causes Autism.
Cigarettes don’t cause cancer as many people who smoke never get cancer. They do increase the risk of developing it though.
Once again though, we are not talking about increased risk and nor is RFK.
I can assure you I take smoking cigarettes seriously. In fact, I helped lobby to end smoking in bars and restaurants in my town and I was successful in doing so.
This is giving some strong “bullets don’t kill people, it’s the blood loss and organ damage” and I don’t like it.
Hey, I know reading comprehension may not be your thing and this is certainly not my fight. I will break it down one more time for clarity.
RFK claims it CAUSES Autism. He does not claim merely it increases the risk.
This meme stated quite logically that if it is the cause of Autism and Autism existed before the medication use was widespread, then clearly it does not cause Autism.
Obviously it does not cause Autism, in fact I doubt it is even a risk factor for it. This is pseudo science bullshit that is being used to sell made up “treatments”.
Frankly, people that are having a hard time with this are playing devil’s advocate, misinformed, or are MAHA.
So what part of this are you not “getting”
I’m wondering if they saw the research that shows paracetamol reduces empathy and just jumped straight to autism
That is some interesting research. I had heard it in passing, but I want to read more about it. Thanks!
Hey, reading comprehension isn’t an issue. Not gonna read past that though since you started out by stating that you’re a massive douchebag. Probably just kept hammering that home, anyway.
Yeah, just going to block you now.
it’s a bad argument, but the people claiming that Tylenol causes autism aren’t using logic to make their claim either.
Just because something already exists, doesn’t mean it can’t be also caused by something else. Like canser. It already exists. But smoking can cause it too.
Next to that, it’s paracetamol. It predates the discovery/naming of autism. It’s already proven not to be the cause by other studies. Of course these studies could have been wrong, but I highly doubt that.
So this statement is incorrect. Doesn’t change the fact that I don’t believe a word of either Trump or RFK. I still believe science and I still don’t believe pseudoscience.
There’s proof it’s NOT caused by paracetamol? Pretty sure that’s not how science works. You’d have to say there’s no evidence it’s caused by paracetamol
Where is the proof that you don’t fuck goats?
That’s not modern science works. The “modern” scientific method (as in post-medieval) requires you to have a positive hypothesis that you can test (as in disprove). Starting with a negative statement doesn’t work in this system. Maybe here we are witnessing the birth of a new scientific system or this administration is so backwards that they rewinding all the way to pre-Galilean times.
That’s exactly what I thought, no idea what the other commenter was saying
See the other comments. Someone linked to the studies stating there was no link found.
Finding no link isn’t proof that no link exists. Only that none has been found. It’s evidence, not proof.
That’s how science works in general. Stuff is proven until proven otherwise.
I just don’t believe the pseudoscience claims from RFK or Trump.
Their announcement is bullshit for sure. There’s no evidence to support their claims, and lots to support the contrary.
Yeah but that’s the thing nowadays: there’s an attack on facts, proof and science in general. It’s all about feelings and the loudness of the biggest screamers (populist politicians and extremist influencers). Scientists and fact checkers are portrayed as dumb, incompetent, terrorists, etc. These arguments are the weakest possible in a discussion but somehow people just follow these idiots and reject science and facts.
The same happened when the church felt threatened by science during the discovery of the round earth traveling around the sun. The general public was riled up against science, even forcing academia to practice in secret.
You actually believe their bullshit 😂 fucken sheep
Tylenol is just a paracetamol brand name in the US. TIL
I was kinda shocked when I learnt this. Like finding out that Digestive biscuits were called Graham crackers.
Their origin is a pretty interesting read too.
Yep it’s just Paracetamol (aka Acetaminophen depending on your locality). Always buy the generic, it’s the same shit in a less flashy box.
Paracetamol, acetaminophen, and Tylenol are all shortened names of N-acetyl-para-aminophenol, putting together different bits of the chemical name.
Neben Acetylsalicylsäure, Ibuprofen oder Diclofenac ist Paracetamol einer der häufigsten Wirkstoffe in Präparaten, die gegen Fieber und Schmerzen eingesetzt werden. Paracetamol wirkt im Gegensatz zu diesen nicht entzündungshemmend.
Ah.
Paracetamol, what you lot call acetaminophen, was first synthesized in 1877(or maybe much earlier in 1852). It wasnt widely used until the 1950s. Tylenol is a brand name that means fuck all to any conversation.
It means a lot to the company that owns the Tylenol brand. People would be fools not to try suing.
No, you see he said “asseattomanefin” first. So, its totally fine…
Hang on, I’ve got Assetto Corsa’s lawyers on the phone…
… Tylenol is Acetaminophen, unless some atypical specialized formula. Just like Advil is typically just Ibuprofen.
Tylenol is Acetaminophen
… which most of the world calls paracetamol.
What do you think I meant with “brand name”? You do realise that Tylenol is a brand, and not the actual drug, right?
Oh, I see, sorry. I thought you were saying not to take Tylenol.
There’s no time or resources in the world to debunk all the bullshit this people generate. Every day, all the time…
“Firehose of falsehoods” is the term, i believe.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2817406
Findings In this population-based study, models without sibling controls identified marginally increased risks of autism and attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) associated with acetaminophen use during pregnancy. However, analyses of matched full sibling pairs found no evidence of increased risk of autism (hazard ratio, 0.98), ADHD (hazard ratio, 0.98), or intellectual disability (hazard ratio, 1.01) associated with acetaminophen use.
I can’t wait to post this on social media. No one is going to respond and actually read a medical journal article but Bravo for this. Very interesting and telling. These people will take anything and run with it hardcore for an agenda my god lol
Looks like those elite bastards are going to make some good old creaky stock market money off of their Tylenol lies.
Worm brain
Autism was differentiated from Schizophrenia?
Yes even though they have entirely different traits people are stupid and they used the term schizophrenia as a catch all for anything that was seen as “abnormal”.
Nowadays it’s a little better, not as much as one might think, autism is the bucket term now, but I’ll try to give some better definitions.
Autism is a condition in which people lack in the more normal modes of thinking, and also social skills. Autists tend to have a few symptoms.
-Great difficulty in socializing
-High levels of sensitivity and high levels of neuroticism. (Don’t like being touched, don’t like their things being touched to a very high degree)
-A lack of common sense
-Often they fixate on a specific thing or set of things they really like, while they lack in general skills.
-They in some cases have difficulty understanding what people mean when they say stuff in social contexts, and often can understand specific things really well.
Schizophrenia
-They often have trouble staying awake fully in every part of their brain, leading to hallucinations in waking life.
-They often cannot understand allegory or metaphor really well, (they believe figures of speech to be literal) they can only understand something like religion as literal, not metaphorical.
-Schizophrenia tends to be a degenerative brain disease, where most people develop it between 29-35, and it usually worsens over life and their intelligence tends to drop faster than most adults.
-Schizophrenics tend to be antisocial, but not really by preference as much as autists. Which is one of the main differences. Schizophrenia is a degenerative brain disease where autism isn’t really degenerative or anything and autists tend to be much more antisocial but not paranoid and stuff.
-Schizophrenics tend to have extreme paranoia, and also they see patterns where there are none.
Schizophrenia is definitely the worst, and autism isn’t really bad in many cases. People can have a perfectly healthy and happy life with autism but schizophrenia is extremely destructive to people.
Both of these have almost no single known cause. Schizophrenia is thought to be highly genetic but a combination of many genes. Autism is less understood.
The first people who did a nature vs nurture study on schizophrenia discovered a new condition, that many of the family members of schizophrenia had, called schizotypal syndrome many of these people, although nearly perfectly healthy, tended to be weird, and also a bit antisocial. They had a great deal of superstition and fixations. They often were just weird though. Their house would smell weird. They would have odd colors. Things like this. It is thought that this is a precursor to schizophrenia. In cases where people just have schizotypal syndrome, this can be thought of as a case where diversity usually wins out in evolutionary terms. A diverse set of mental creatures is nearly always going to win over a very homogenous group of mental creatures, yet sometimes too many of these phenotypes end up in one child, and the neurodegenerativness might come from lifestyles factors associated with highly schizotypal living. (Taking lots of medicine, believing everything they hear on TV, like medication is safe to take when pregnant) Which most people would just understand as incorrect. Bad diet from poverty due to being weird. Having too many germs and mold in their house because they are scared of burglars so they are afraid to open the windows. Things like this.
Schizophrenia tends to still be a bit of a bucket term, and autism as well, but these are far better defined these days. The reason they are most likely on the rise is because of less real food, with nutrients, more poverty, and highly stressful modern lifestyles, and also many people spend a lot of time around manmade and synthetic materials in childhood vs spending time in nature, which can help the immune system learn to function correctly. Most germs in nature aren’t very dangerous to humans, because they haven’t evolved specific traits to infect humans. So your immune system has a strong advantage over these germs.
So if you don’t want your kids to develop these conditions, air your house out sometimes, let them play in nature, feed them high quality food, and keep their stress low, and make sure they have enough free time so that they can sleep at night. Also don’t take medication while you are pregnant unless you absolutely have too. People should know this without someone telling them this. Don’t take antibiotics unless you have a specific germ infection where it’s worth the tradeoff.
The immune system also likely plays a role in these conditions. Having a healthy immune system isn’t just about defense against pathogens, but also your own epigenetic regulation. Having a weak or overly reactive immune system will lead to autism like symptoms or schizophrenia type symptoms if your immune system. Neurons have very complex and idiosyncratic protein structures and if your immune system isn’t functioning correctly, your brain will get full of trash or overly washed out by your immune system.since it cannot manage your brain proteins correctly. So get an outside dog they help keep healthy germs so long as they are healthy, spend time in nature, eat wild fruit. Dont spend every hour of your life inside or around humans and all their germs. Try to practice germ hygiene around humans, don’t fear nature’s germs. They can’t really hurt you if your immune system is working correctly, where humans spread all kinds of human specific pathogens that can sometimes infect you even if your immune system is healthy, although this is harder, because your immune system knows your own germs and evolves your germs to be specific to your body.
Explain how autism was differentiated from schizophrenia in 1911, but the first autism diagnosis wasn’t until 1943.
-A lack of common sense
This one bothers me. How is “common sense” defined for this criteria?
Basic simple cognitive tasks. Keep in mind that isn’t an official medical definition, just my own. It’s like awareness in the moment, among other things.
One example might be like, not asking certain questions, like asking a woman how much she weighs or a trans person about their genitals. Another example might just be basic tasks like driving without blocking traffic. Another example might be, not being a creep to a girl that you like. (Not following her around and falling in love when she doesn’t even know you) Another example might be not looking at the sun and not realizing the black spots in your eyes are actually damage. Another example, thinking it’s okay to take medicine when you are pregnant that isn’t absolutely necesarey and also advised by a doctor. Another example might be not eating around people with bad hygiene. So many countless examples. It in some contexts refers to your ability to think through simple situations where the answer should be obvious, but can also just refer to your awareness of simple and obvious things.
Once again this isn’t a medical definition, I know people on the internet get confused a great deal these days, but this is just my own definition.
Schizophrenics lack this sense to a large extent, because many diagnosed schizophrenics couldn’t think their way out of a paper bag, autistic people lack it to varying degrees for different reasons, usually not a degenerated brain. Autism can refer to many different things from lack of mental function to just very abnormal mental function, which isn’t always necessarily a negative if they can function well in life. Autism is only really an issue when it makes people have a hard time functioning like a normal human being, (getting a job, making friends, finding loving relationships, taking care of themselves, etc) many autistic people are extremely intelligent in certain fields that they like. They often have an incredible ability to focus beyond normal humans. Schizophrenia is much different. A schizophrenic probably cannot focus on anything. Their minds are full of intrusive and paranoid thoughts and they often cannot easily distinguish reality from their thoughts.
Jeffery Epstein
Oh he also recently ate thermal paper/reciept because it was healthy on an article today. hes also associated epstein too.
TL;DR they want Autistic people to go without pain killers.
and pregnant women ☝😃 ibuprofen is not allowed during the last trimester making tylenol the usual painkiller of choice
TIL
